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	<title>Comments on: Unedited Roger Douglas Interview. Full transcript. July 23rd 2008.</title>
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		<title>By: Harold</title>
		<link>http://salient.org.nz/blog/unedited-roger-douglas-interview-full-transcript-july-23rd-2008#comment-361092</link>
		<dc:creator>Harold</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Sep 2008 11:58:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The interview and comments seem devoid of more informed reflections on Roger Douglas&#039;s legacy 

First there is his obsession with govt expenditure. Many of the countries he would have us envy, those way above us in the rankings, have far higher government expenditure. The first issue about government expenditure is &#039;efficiency&#039;. Yes, in general, bureacracies can be inefficient or become inefficient and there are overheads in administration; but that occurs to varying degrees in many organisations with some of the largest and most wastefull occurring in the commercial sector (the MBA program at Stanford used examples of New Zealand management as cases studies of inefficiency; and parts of New Zealands bureacracy sets a world wide benchmark; no accident compensation scheme on earth can compare with ours for efficiency). 

There are many examples, apart from the obvious ones of health and education, where government expenditure out performs any private alternative.  Only  a handfull of New Zealanders could buy their own &#039;streets&#039; to run in or a large estate to run over. It is far more efficient to have a Mt Victoria reserve, or a Hagley park to run through. Our public spaces are priceless; lets appreciate the value we do get for government expenditure.

The second issue is about allocation ; allocation of the nation&#039;s resources. Are they being used optimally? A tax cut in Singapore might go into investment or savings. The last large tax cuts in New Zealand went disproportionately into SUVs, and &#039;hairspray&#039; consumption (and off course fueled our addiction to real estate). Every medical specialist in the country is pointing out how much we could gain if more was spent in  their area. Many of these cases are far better established than our need for greater consumption of petrol, where a lot of the tax cuts in New Zealand would go,  If only some of these cases were true, then a shift from government to private consumption would make us worse off.

Again on procductivity, lets check with some better respected and more contemporary economists. It was in mid 1987 after three years of Rogernomics, that New Zealand&#039;s productivity started to lag behind Australia&#039;s. The simple solutions of the 80s, when we did shed many inefficient departments and production, and simply cut expenditure, are no longer adequate in the complex world of today. The so called productivity gains during the 90s were a symptom of contraction and consolidation.  As factories shed staff, it appeared that productivity increased. There was low capital investment in new plant, as the policies Roger Douglas espoused had led to our wages falling as we became a low wage, long hours, economy. A study by the IMF into the reasons for our poor performance found that low capital intensity explained 75% of the gap between our productivity and pay and Australia&#039;s.

Had Roger Douglas&#039;s flat tax been implemented, there would have been far fewer students reading Salient or taking holidays in a more backward South Pacific basket case.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The interview and comments seem devoid of more informed reflections on Roger Douglas&#8217;s legacy </p>
<p>First there is his obsession with govt expenditure. Many of the countries he would have us envy, those way above us in the rankings, have far higher government expenditure. The first issue about government expenditure is &#8216;efficiency&#8217;. Yes, in general, bureacracies can be inefficient or become inefficient and there are overheads in administration; but that occurs to varying degrees in many organisations with some of the largest and most wastefull occurring in the commercial sector (the MBA program at Stanford used examples of New Zealand management as cases studies of inefficiency; and parts of New Zealands bureacracy sets a world wide benchmark; no accident compensation scheme on earth can compare with ours for efficiency). </p>
<p>There are many examples, apart from the obvious ones of health and education, where government expenditure out performs any private alternative.  Only  a handfull of New Zealanders could buy their own &#8216;streets&#8217; to run in or a large estate to run over. It is far more efficient to have a Mt Victoria reserve, or a Hagley park to run through. Our public spaces are priceless; lets appreciate the value we do get for government expenditure.</p>
<p>The second issue is about allocation ; allocation of the nation&#8217;s resources. Are they being used optimally? A tax cut in Singapore might go into investment or savings. The last large tax cuts in New Zealand went disproportionately into SUVs, and &#8216;hairspray&#8217; consumption (and off course fueled our addiction to real estate). Every medical specialist in the country is pointing out how much we could gain if more was spent in  their area. Many of these cases are far better established than our need for greater consumption of petrol, where a lot of the tax cuts in New Zealand would go,  If only some of these cases were true, then a shift from government to private consumption would make us worse off.</p>
<p>Again on procductivity, lets check with some better respected and more contemporary economists. It was in mid 1987 after three years of Rogernomics, that New Zealand&#8217;s productivity started to lag behind Australia&#8217;s. The simple solutions of the 80s, when we did shed many inefficient departments and production, and simply cut expenditure, are no longer adequate in the complex world of today. The so called productivity gains during the 90s were a symptom of contraction and consolidation.  As factories shed staff, it appeared that productivity increased. There was low capital investment in new plant, as the policies Roger Douglas espoused had led to our wages falling as we became a low wage, long hours, economy. A study by the IMF into the reasons for our poor performance found that low capital intensity explained 75% of the gap between our productivity and pay and Australia&#8217;s.</p>
<p>Had Roger Douglas&#8217;s flat tax been implemented, there would have been far fewer students reading Salient or taking holidays in a more backward South Pacific basket case.</p>
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		<title>By: Jasmine</title>
		<link>http://salient.org.nz/blog/unedited-roger-douglas-interview-full-transcript-july-23rd-2008#comment-353953</link>
		<dc:creator>Jasmine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jul 2008 03:49:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I wasn&#039;t referring to people going on holidays. I was talking about New Zealanders going overseas and being exposed to new ideas, societies and learning from that. Yes, some people aren&#039;t going to come back to NZ. Thats just what happens. I&#039;m not saying its not a problem, but there are plenty of people who will end up coming back once they start families ie John Key. Do you think he&#039;d have gained so much by working in NZ and not going to Singapore and London? FYI, not a Key or National supporter, but its certainly a point in his favor, that he&#039;s had international experience.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wasn&#8217;t referring to people going on holidays. I was talking about New Zealanders going overseas and being exposed to new ideas, societies and learning from that. Yes, some people aren&#8217;t going to come back to NZ. Thats just what happens. I&#8217;m not saying its not a problem, but there are plenty of people who will end up coming back once they start families ie John Key. Do you think he&#8217;d have gained so much by working in NZ and not going to Singapore and London? FYI, not a Key or National supporter, but its certainly a point in his favor, that he&#8217;s had international experience.</p>
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		<title>By: peteremcc</title>
		<link>http://salient.org.nz/blog/unedited-roger-douglas-interview-full-transcript-july-23rd-2008#comment-353270</link>
		<dc:creator>peteremcc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Jul 2008 11:24:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jasmine, the problem isn&#039;t people going overseas for holidays, it&#039;s them not coming back!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jasmine, the problem isn&#8217;t people going overseas for holidays, it&#8217;s them not coming back!</p>
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		<title>By: Tristan Egarr</title>
		<link>http://salient.org.nz/blog/unedited-roger-douglas-interview-full-transcript-july-23rd-2008#comment-353163</link>
		<dc:creator>Tristan Egarr</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Jul 2008 01:25:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Although there might be a lot to disagree with in Roger&#039;s responses, there is very little spin - that man is blunt because he has a strong idea of what he wants to do, and he won&#039;t bullshit us on it. However, the one area in which he does spin and evade is the social liberalisation question, and that&#039;s worrying. But he does paint a fascinating portrait of our economy over the last fifty years.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Although there might be a lot to disagree with in Roger&#8217;s responses, there is very little spin &#8211; that man is blunt because he has a strong idea of what he wants to do, and he won&#8217;t bullshit us on it. However, the one area in which he does spin and evade is the social liberalisation question, and that&#8217;s worrying. But he does paint a fascinating portrait of our economy over the last fifty years.</p>
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		<title>By: KeepRight</title>
		<link>http://salient.org.nz/blog/unedited-roger-douglas-interview-full-transcript-july-23rd-2008#comment-352957</link>
		<dc:creator>KeepRight</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Jul 2008 02:13:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great!</p>
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		<title>By: multistar</title>
		<link>http://salient.org.nz/blog/unedited-roger-douglas-interview-full-transcript-july-23rd-2008#comment-352719</link>
		<dc:creator>multistar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Jul 2008 03:59:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>yeah with a flat tax we might even have a reason to come home some day</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>yeah with a flat tax we might even have a reason to come home some day</p>
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		<title>By: Jasmine</title>
		<link>http://salient.org.nz/blog/unedited-roger-douglas-interview-full-transcript-july-23rd-2008#comment-352682</link>
		<dc:creator>Jasmine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Jul 2008 00:07:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good interview. However, I don&#039;t agree with Roger Douglas when he talks about students thinking about working offshore..obviously there are concerns and it is a significant issue, but I&#039;d rather New Zealanders go off and see the world, expand their visions and realise theres much more to the world than just New Zealand. A small vision is not going to help the country grow. I think a lot of the problems in New Zealand are linked to so many in this country having a small, narrow perspective. And as for his comment about how the mindset was different 50 years ago..I don&#039;t suppose that has anything to do with the fact that travel was a lot more different than then it is today? Its a lot more affordable and realistic for people to travel internationally today than it was 50 years ago.

Just my two cents</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good interview. However, I don&#8217;t agree with Roger Douglas when he talks about students thinking about working offshore..obviously there are concerns and it is a significant issue, but I&#8217;d rather New Zealanders go off and see the world, expand their visions and realise theres much more to the world than just New Zealand. A small vision is not going to help the country grow. I think a lot of the problems in New Zealand are linked to so many in this country having a small, narrow perspective. And as for his comment about how the mindset was different 50 years ago..I don&#8217;t suppose that has anything to do with the fact that travel was a lot more different than then it is today? Its a lot more affordable and realistic for people to travel internationally today than it was 50 years ago.</p>
<p>Just my two cents</p>
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		<title>By: Lint Remover</title>
		<link>http://salient.org.nz/blog/unedited-roger-douglas-interview-full-transcript-july-23rd-2008#comment-352670</link>
		<dc:creator>Lint Remover</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Jul 2008 23:23:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bloody brilliant interview! good to see sir rog blatantly ignore jordan carter like the irrelevant rubbish that he is</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bloody brilliant interview! good to see sir rog blatantly ignore jordan carter like the irrelevant rubbish that he is</p>
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		<title>By: Reuben</title>
		<link>http://salient.org.nz/blog/unedited-roger-douglas-interview-full-transcript-july-23rd-2008#comment-352669</link>
		<dc:creator>Reuben</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Jul 2008 23:11:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Excellent interview, some valuable insights I would have never picked up.
Besides that, some great one liners &quot;So, he didn’t really upset me, he just… wrecked the government.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Excellent interview, some valuable insights I would have never picked up.<br />
Besides that, some great one liners &#8220;So, he didn’t really upset me, he just… wrecked the government.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Spiros Kappatos</title>
		<link>http://salient.org.nz/blog/unedited-roger-douglas-interview-full-transcript-july-23rd-2008#comment-352666</link>
		<dc:creator>Spiros Kappatos</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Jul 2008 22:26:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Overall a very good and balanced interview providing a useful insight into Sir Roger and ACT, and some of the defining issues confronting the NZ electorate.  Spiros</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Overall a very good and balanced interview providing a useful insight into Sir Roger and ACT, and some of the defining issues confronting the NZ electorate.  Spiros</p>
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