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	<title>Comments on: No Straight Answer &#8211; The Partial Defence of Provocation</title>
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		<title>By: Josh Davis</title>
		<link>http://salient.org.nz/features/no-straight-answer-the-partial-defence-of-provocation#comment-364321</link>
		<dc:creator>Josh Davis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Oct 2008 09:41:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I found this article while researching the provocation defence in Queensland, Australia and though it applies directly to your country, I found it quite helpful. 

A recent case has come up where a man beat his girlfriend to death with a steering wheel lock in a car, so they&#039;re thinking of scrapping it here, or at least altering it so it does not function in the situation of verbal provocation. (the girlfriend was boasting about cheating on him before he killed her) Something has been said for whether it should function in cases where a weapon is used. 

What do others think?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I found this article while researching the provocation defence in Queensland, Australia and though it applies directly to your country, I found it quite helpful. </p>
<p>A recent case has come up where a man beat his girlfriend to death with a steering wheel lock in a car, so they&#8217;re thinking of scrapping it here, or at least altering it so it does not function in the situation of verbal provocation. (the girlfriend was boasting about cheating on him before he killed her) Something has been said for whether it should function in cases where a weapon is used. </p>
<p>What do others think?</p>
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		<title>By: Conrad Reyners</title>
		<link>http://salient.org.nz/features/no-straight-answer-the-partial-defence-of-provocation#comment-355800</link>
		<dc:creator>Conrad Reyners</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Aug 2008 05:33:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>They are fairly clear things to take into account. Check out this section of the Sentencing Act 2002. 

http://www.legislation.govt.nz/act/public/2002/0009/latest/DLM135545.html?search=ts_act_Sentencing+Act#DLM135545

The judge goes through all relevant considerations, and uses their judicial skills to balance them.  If an offender thinks that they only did what they did because they genuinely felt threatened by a homosexual advance - then that can be factored into sentencing. Section 4(a) allows a very broad scope.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>They are fairly clear things to take into account. Check out this section of the Sentencing Act 2002. </p>
<p><a href="http://www.legislation.govt.nz/act/public/2002/0009/latest/DLM135545.html?search=ts_act_Sentencing+Act#DLM135545" rel="nofollow">http://www.legislation.govt.nz/act/public/2002/0009/latest/DLM135545.html?search=ts_act_Sentencing+Act#DLM135545</a></p>
<p>The judge goes through all relevant considerations, and uses their judicial skills to balance them.  If an offender thinks that they only did what they did because they genuinely felt threatened by a homosexual advance &#8211; then that can be factored into sentencing. Section 4(a) allows a very broad scope.</p>
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		<title>By: Matthew_Cunningham</title>
		<link>http://salient.org.nz/features/no-straight-answer-the-partial-defence-of-provocation#comment-355795</link>
		<dc:creator>Matthew_Cunningham</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Aug 2008 04:26:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Conrad,

Interesting point - from what you&#039;ve said about what i&#039;ll call &#039;extenuating clauses&#039; in other areas of law makes me tend to agree with you that provocation should be repealed. 

Just a question though (again, not something I know much about so more just a general query) - are these &#039;existing laws&#039; also prone to ambiguous interpretation and, through that, injustice? Or being &#039;sentencing laws&#039; is it something that comes down to the disposition of the &#039;sentencer&#039;?

Matt.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Conrad,</p>
<p>Interesting point &#8211; from what you&#8217;ve said about what i&#8217;ll call &#8216;extenuating clauses&#8217; in other areas of law makes me tend to agree with you that provocation should be repealed. </p>
<p>Just a question though (again, not something I know much about so more just a general query) &#8211; are these &#8216;existing laws&#8217; also prone to ambiguous interpretation and, through that, injustice? Or being &#8216;sentencing laws&#8217; is it something that comes down to the disposition of the &#8216;sentencer&#8217;?</p>
<p>Matt.</p>
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		<title>By: Conrad Reyners</title>
		<link>http://salient.org.nz/features/no-straight-answer-the-partial-defence-of-provocation#comment-355794</link>
		<dc:creator>Conrad Reyners</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Aug 2008 04:19:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I would also add that provocation is not often succesful. Its a very, very hard legal test to meet. But it still does exist, and if it IS met, then an injustice can occur. And the cases in the article show that it has been met before.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would also add that provocation is not often succesful. Its a very, very hard legal test to meet. But it still does exist, and if it IS met, then an injustice can occur. And the cases in the article show that it has been met before.</p>
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		<title>By: Conrad Reyners</title>
		<link>http://salient.org.nz/features/no-straight-answer-the-partial-defence-of-provocation#comment-355792</link>
		<dc:creator>Conrad Reyners</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Aug 2008 04:17:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey Matt, thanks.

The justification for the defence does not exist - as it stands in its current form. There are already provisions in the sentencing act for lowering the sentence of an offender - where it is obvious they have been provoked.

What the defence does currently is excuse the criminal liability of the offender. That is unjust. Murdering homosexuals should not be excused down to manslaughter just because they are homosexuals. 

So any &#039;good&#039; reason for keeping the defence is already included in other parts of the law. So complete repeal is justified - in my view. Im sorry if thats a bit ramblomatic, this is a very murky area of law.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Matt, thanks.</p>
<p>The justification for the defence does not exist &#8211; as it stands in its current form. There are already provisions in the sentencing act for lowering the sentence of an offender &#8211; where it is obvious they have been provoked.</p>
<p>What the defence does currently is excuse the criminal liability of the offender. That is unjust. Murdering homosexuals should not be excused down to manslaughter just because they are homosexuals. </p>
<p>So any &#8216;good&#8217; reason for keeping the defence is already included in other parts of the law. So complete repeal is justified &#8211; in my view. Im sorry if thats a bit ramblomatic, this is a very murky area of law.</p>
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		<title>By: Matthew_Cunningham</title>
		<link>http://salient.org.nz/features/no-straight-answer-the-partial-defence-of-provocation#comment-355788</link>
		<dc:creator>Matthew_Cunningham</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Aug 2008 03:57:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Really interesting article, thanks to Conrad for writing it.

I&#039;ll admit I know next to nothing about law, which includes what you&#039;ve said about &#039;provocation&#039; (hence why I found this article so interesting). 

About my only comment would be that, whilst I agree with you totally that this law leaves a lot of room for racial/gender/homophobic abuse, there must also certainly be plenty of cases where a provocation defense is justified? Hence, are you saying that the law should be repealed entirely or rewritten in a less ambiguous fashion?

Matt.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Really interesting article, thanks to Conrad for writing it.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ll admit I know next to nothing about law, which includes what you&#8217;ve said about &#8216;provocation&#8217; (hence why I found this article so interesting). </p>
<p>About my only comment would be that, whilst I agree with you totally that this law leaves a lot of room for racial/gender/homophobic abuse, there must also certainly be plenty of cases where a provocation defense is justified? Hence, are you saying that the law should be repealed entirely or rewritten in a less ambiguous fashion?</p>
<p>Matt.</p>
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		<title>By: Lancelot</title>
		<link>http://salient.org.nz/features/no-straight-answer-the-partial-defence-of-provocation#comment-355150</link>
		<dc:creator>Lancelot</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Aug 2008 00:20:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Whoops - misread that one. Sorry bro. Good article.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Whoops &#8211; misread that one. Sorry bro. Good article.</p>
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		<title>By: Lancelot</title>
		<link>http://salient.org.nz/features/no-straight-answer-the-partial-defence-of-provocation#comment-355149</link>
		<dc:creator>Lancelot</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Aug 2008 00:19:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;A schoolmate I’ve known for 44 years&quot; - which makes you about 50?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;A schoolmate I’ve known for 44 years&#8221; &#8211; which makes you about 50?</p>
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