Comments on: America and Iraq – Four Years Too Long http://salient.org.nz/news/america-and-iraq-four-years-too-long Fri, 25 May 2012 03:34:26 +0000 hourly 1 By: investigatory projects in biology http://salient.org.nz/news/america-and-iraq-four-years-too-long#comment-354381 investigatory projects in biology Thu, 31 Jul 2008 19:12:57 +0000 http://www.salient.org.nz/features/america-and-iraq-four-years-too-long#comment-354381 [...] child poverty, binge drinking, teen pregnancies etc?? New Zealand will never be anything ...http://www.salient.org.nz/opinion/america-and-iraq-four-years-too-longPrinceton Alumni Weekly: PawPlusClick here for Books Received 2003-04. Click here for Books Received [...] [...] child poverty, binge drinking, teen pregnancies etc?? New Zealand will never be anything …http://www.salient.org.nz/opinion/america-and-iraq-four-years-too-longPrinceton Alumni Weekly: PawPlusClick here for Books Received 2003-04. Click here for Books Received [...]

]]> By: Karl Bronstein http://salient.org.nz/news/america-and-iraq-four-years-too-long#comment-342890 Karl Bronstein Thu, 01 May 2008 01:37:09 +0000 http://www.salient.org.nz/features/america-and-iraq-four-years-too-long#comment-342890 wow Smelly Marxist you sure put him in his place, if your plan was to lower the debate to pathetic one liners then you've succeeded. Whats next? your mother jokes, please go back to making actual points. while I often don't agree with you, this kind of partisan slighting is beneath you. Good day Sir/Ma'am wow Smelly Marxist you sure put him in his place, if your plan was to lower the debate to pathetic one liners then you’ve succeeded. Whats next? your mother jokes, please go back to making actual points.

while I often don’t agree with you, this kind of partisan slighting is beneath you.

Good day Sir/Ma’am

]]> By: The Smelly Marxist http://salient.org.nz/news/america-and-iraq-four-years-too-long#comment-342863 The Smelly Marxist Wed, 30 Apr 2008 10:33:24 +0000 http://www.salient.org.nz/features/america-and-iraq-four-years-too-long#comment-342863 Robb, go back to sleep in front of Fox News. Robb, go back to sleep in front of Fox News.

]]> By: ken http://salient.org.nz/news/america-and-iraq-four-years-too-long#comment-342862 ken Wed, 30 Apr 2008 09:18:53 +0000 http://www.salient.org.nz/features/america-and-iraq-four-years-too-long#comment-342862 sophie's solution seems a bit primitive to me.. her solutions seems to rest on two illusions: 1) new zealand is a separate country with problems that are separate from other country's problems and 2) fails to realize the extremist groups today are the US and the UK! robb's comments are dazzling in their naivety. 'the world should conform': to what may we ask? referring to the nazis i presume, he says: 'the wholesale slaughter of innocents': are we saying the saturation bombing of the working class neighborhood of dresden was in some way the 'deserved' slaughter of innocence? the 90% flattening of 48 of the largest cities in Japan before the H-bombs dropped on Hiroshima and Nagasaki was somehow not 'wholesale' too? the truth is both sides in any conflict have committed 'evil', if by evil we mean the slaughter of non-combatants, women and children. in the latest conflict in iraq, since no war, except a 'war on terror', has been declared, what we saw was the US invasion of Iraq on pretexts that turned out to be false. to be unapologetic about 800,000 iraqis killed on a pretext that had nothing to do with iraq (the twin tower attack) seems pretty sub-human to me. if we accept this logic of evil until proven innocent (or even evil even when proven innocent) then i dont see how any of us can immunize ourselves from this mediated charge followed by the stampeding, indeed the 'wholesale slaughter of innocents'. the first casualty in war, they say, is the truth. the first casualty in the war on terror, on the other hand seems worse, an absence of common sense. sophie’s solution seems a bit primitive to me.. her solutions seems to rest on two illusions: 1) new zealand is a separate country with problems that are separate from other country’s problems and 2) fails to realize the extremist groups today are the US and the UK!

robb’s comments are dazzling in their naivety. ‘the world should conform’: to what may we ask? referring to the nazis i presume, he says: ‘the wholesale slaughter of innocents’: are we saying the saturation bombing of the working class neighborhood of dresden was in some way the ‘deserved’ slaughter of innocence? the 90% flattening of 48 of the largest cities in Japan before the H-bombs dropped on Hiroshima and Nagasaki was somehow not ‘wholesale’ too?

the truth is both sides in any conflict have committed ‘evil’, if by evil we mean the slaughter of non-combatants, women and children.

in the latest conflict in iraq, since no war, except a ‘war on terror’, has been declared, what we saw was the US invasion of Iraq on pretexts that turned out to be false. to be unapologetic about 800,000 iraqis killed on a pretext that had nothing to do with iraq (the twin tower attack) seems pretty sub-human to me. if we accept this logic of evil until proven innocent (or even evil even when proven innocent) then i dont see how any of us can immunize ourselves from this mediated charge followed by the stampeding, indeed the ‘wholesale slaughter of innocents’.

the first casualty in war, they say, is the truth. the first casualty in the war on terror, on the other hand seems worse, an absence of common sense.

]]> By: Robb http://salient.org.nz/news/america-and-iraq-four-years-too-long#comment-40422 Robb Thu, 26 Apr 2007 10:14:59 +0000 http://www.salient.org.nz/features/america-and-iraq-four-years-too-long#comment-40422 it would be a good idea for you to buy a one way ticket to iraq so you can do something tangable at the "coal face" . I would give you about a week before you are slaughtered by the people you want to save from the american invaders Your idea of a utopian peaceful society will never be a reality because of people like yourself.. fanatics who want to force their opinion on other people... remember stalin ( one of the socialist founders ) whos ideals you you endorse via linking to their nz web site. society needs to conform on a global scale in order for peace to reign, but since you also have links to an anarchist web site, i can only conclude you want to cause mayhem, remember who started the 1st world war, that had to be resolved by armed conflict in order for peace to have a chance. The people who ended that war, that was started by a self confessed anarchist, were the people you were attacking on anzac day. consiencious objectors are the people who hid in the background and endosed wholesale slaughter of innocents by keeping out of the solution and letting it happen instead of deposing the wrong doers in the only practical way, as grim as that was. I support the anzac troops and believe that they were the real heros who sacrificed every thing to stop a great evil it would be a good idea for you to buy a one way ticket to iraq so you can do something tangable at the “coal face” . I would give you about a week before you are slaughtered by the people you want to save from the american invaders
Your idea of a utopian peaceful society will never be a reality because of people like yourself.. fanatics who want to force their opinion on other people… remember stalin ( one of the socialist founders ) whos ideals you you endorse via linking to their nz web site.
society needs to conform on a global scale in order for peace to reign, but since you also have links to an anarchist web site, i can only conclude you want to cause mayhem, remember who started the 1st world war, that had to be resolved by armed conflict in order for peace to have a chance. The people who ended that war, that was started by a self confessed anarchist, were the people you were attacking on anzac day.
consiencious objectors are the people who hid in the background and endosed wholesale slaughter of innocents by keeping out of the solution and letting it happen instead of deposing the wrong doers in the only practical way, as grim as that was.
I support the anzac troops and believe that they were the real heros who sacrificed every thing to stop a great evil

]]> By: Sophie http://salient.org.nz/news/america-and-iraq-four-years-too-long#comment-33979 Sophie Wed, 11 Apr 2007 01:10:26 +0000 http://www.salient.org.nz/features/america-and-iraq-four-years-too-long#comment-33979 Wouldn't it be more productive to end the "wars" on our doors steps first? Suicide, child abuse, obestity, domestic violence, child poverty, binge drinking, teen pregnancies etc... New Zealand will never be anything more than a pimple on America's arse. We CAN'T change the world. Plus, have you ever heard of appeasement? In World War Two? Could history have repeated itself if we simply turned a blind eye to extremest groups? Just like Britain did to the Nazi party? Hmmmmm... Wouldn’t it be more productive to end the “wars” on our doors steps first?
Suicide, child abuse, obestity, domestic violence, child poverty, binge drinking, teen pregnancies etc…

New Zealand will never be anything more than a pimple on America’s arse.
We CAN’T change the world.

Plus, have you ever heard of appeasement? In World War Two? Could history have repeated itself if we simply turned a blind eye to extremest groups? Just like Britain did to the Nazi party?

Hmmmmm…

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