Comments on: Another one bites the dust

By: r4i software

r4i software — Mon, 11 Jan 2010 03:58:26 +0000

Hello everyone.
It’s really too bad kassie has resigned but she had done nice job what else,,,

By: Madness

Madness — Tue, 23 Jun 2009 04:31:29 +0000

Sad about Kassie, I think she’s actually done heaps of really good stuff. Shame.

By: Paul

Paul — Fri, 19 Jun 2009 03:51:29 +0000

Bloody hell WSWS/ISSE now there are more meaningless letters. It’ll be the whole alphabet before long.

Get off the wonderful capitalist internet. You are slowing down the relentless drive to consume. And the comments feature on this site is bloody slow.

It’s interesting to see you slag off Don Franks. I don’t support his politics, but at least he used to be a “worker” so has some credentials. Not just a load of political science study and meaningless rhetoric.

By: Woe To Deserters!

Woe To Deserters! — Thu, 18 Jun 2009 07:21:30 +0000

As for this group “reflect both nationalist and internationalist goals” the only main goals this group has created is creating centrist figureheads to take the role in the trade unions, i.e. Kelly, Cosgrove, Whitmore, Franks, etc, and to promote the “far left” “loose collection” of various radical groups who’s orientation is to eachother and to the middle class and to the trade unions, not to the political independence of the working class and the creation of it’s own organisations in the very real struggle against international capital.

That is my point that I made earlier about just words, no action, it’s actually socialism in words, capitalism in action, ugly Pressure politics on display, burning flags in complete isolation to the whole of the working class encouraging the isolated and disoriented individuals to take up these futile practices.

Instead of the fight for political consciousness, insisted upon by all great classical marxists and trotskyists we have these “Workers party” inlisted radicals who see joining the student union as sufficient practice for the real thing!!

By: Woe To Deserters!

Woe To Deserters! — Thu, 18 Jun 2009 07:11:37 +0000

Paul the WP and WSWS/ISSE are two opposed political tendencies, the WP represents the radical petty-bourgeoisie and the other the WSWS represents the interests of the world working class.

http://workersparty.org.nz/2009/05/24/oppose-the-expulsion-of-workers-party-activists-from-victoria-university/#comments
I, like you also support their democratic rights and right to protest, but when it comes to the conceptions of protest politics: burning flags (their right) without any historical lessons ever being learnt, I am opposed to this ‘Workers party.’

John Edmundson makes this comment on that page you commented:

“Winning votes has never been the primary purpose of the WP’s participation in elections. We do it to get our politics – what we see as key issues for working class unity in the long term, like internationalism – into the public arena, not to bend our politics to fit with current popular views. If we wanted to do that we’d join the Labour or National Party. So we won’t just go around randomly burning flags, but we won’t decide our strategy based on electoral considerations, we’d rather be honest about what we believe to be important.”

If it was never the primary purpose of this cretinist party, then why proudly proclaim signing up “members” at the Warriors Game, and similar opportunist tactics! As for their “internationalism” it is blatantly false. An international organization as Trotsky put it should be “a single international proletarian organisation of revolutionary action having one world centre and one world political orientation.”

Instead the Workers Party has, as you put it, a “loose coalition of socialists of various political persuasions.” (Who’s main origin being the “pro-Trotsky” “pro-Mao” “explanation” that these opportunists have given on their page, and other sources of information!)

Now there is the root of the problem of these WP potential VUWSA ex-VUWSA careerists, who have no real international organization except a bunch of “loosely” fitted separate national organisations, i.e. CPGB (ex-Stalinist party), CPNepal, “International Communist Union”, RSP, and similar lesser known NZ national groups, none of whom carry spotless banners like that of the Fourth International in defense of the theory of Permanent Revolution and Lenin’s theory of the Vanguard Party.

By: she who must not be named

she who must not be named — Wed, 17 Jun 2009 01:28:54 +0000

yup, found them through that link that gafesib put. she also wrote ‘crazy woman’ on another. goes to show how immature that part of the exec are/were. good riddence i say. reckon the others that theyre attacking are doing a pretty good job (as far as i can tell) from work reports etc

shame tho that kassie had to let stupid wp politics get in the way cos it looks like she was doing a pretty good job as womens’ rights officer too

By: Matthew_Cunningham

Matthew_Cunningham — Wed, 17 Jun 2009 01:24:08 +0000

she who must not be named: Check out the VUWSA page on facebook, and look in the photos section. There are a couple of photos taken at the Karorientation that were added by Kassie. Failing that, I will do a screenshot and send them to you.

Pretty low blow for an official VUWSA-related site, in my opinion.

Cheers, Matt.

By: Gafesib

Gafesib — Wed, 17 Jun 2009 00:41:36 +0000

found it. lol. what a joke. and what a silly little girl this cassie hartendorf kid has turned out to be.

http://www.facebook.com/home.php?ref=logo#/photo.php?pid=30275347&op=1&o=all&view=all&subj=45154634639&aid=-1&oid=45154634639&id=1260360689

By: she who must not be named

she who must not be named — Wed, 17 Jun 2009 00:32:26 +0000

where are these comments, matt? link?

By: Jono West

Jono West — Tue, 16 Jun 2009 23:43:48 +0000

Joel. I thought you said that Salient wasn’t the paper of students any more and we shouldn’t pay any attention to it. Fuck off.

Fuck off all politicos who fuck with student money. Kassie resigning is just another fucking waste of money. Doesn’t matter if freemantle was the cause. We had a by election to get her in, which cost x amount of dollars and now we’re having another one to replace her.

This is why we need VSM and we need it now.